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Old 28th June 2018, 11:00 AM
MikeD MikeD is offline
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There is a comparison of the beginning of the credits on the Japanese and UK blurays of Thunderbirds here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKCTKgffluY

The Japanese one has pretty much the same picture area as the UK DVDs, the UK blu-rays have lost lots of picture at top and bottom.

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Old 28th June 2018, 11:03 AM
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So if they are just cropping the sides, how do they they get increased image height at the top and bottom of the screen???
There are a few screenshots here that show how the different aspect ratios impact individual shots:

http://blackholereviews.blogspot.com...g-fine-in.html
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Old 28th June 2018, 11:52 AM
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There are a few screenshots here that show how the different aspect ratios impact individual shots:

http://blackholereviews.blogspot.com...g-fine-in.html
I've not seen the UK "cropped" Blu Rays so can't compare them with the German set I have - did they try at least do some shot by shot selection to get the "best" part of the full frame or just take a centred view all the way thru?

One other thing to remeber in all of this - old style "tube" TVs were usually set up with varying amounts of "overscan" - so you'd end up missing the edge of things by various degrees. A "full frame" 4:3 or even a "top/bottom cropped" 16:9 image derived from a 4:3 frame might still show stuff at the edges on a new" panel based TV than wasn't visible at the time of the original (or ever some of the earlier repeat) broadcasts.

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Old 28th June 2018, 08:44 PM
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I remember watching that and was totally disgusted at what they had done!

Keith
It didn't bother me at the time because 2.35:1 on our old smaller 4:3 tv's didn't really seem practical.
Even when I was watching the improved clarity of Laserdisc a 2.35:1 image on a 4:3 tv made for difficult viewing.
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Old 28th June 2018, 08:48 PM
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So if they are just cropping the sides, how do they they get increased image height at the top and bottom of the screen???
The sides should be the same as the 4:3 versions.
It's the top and bottom where image is lost.

In the movies I mentioned it was generally a standard crop top and / or bottom for the whole movie as they were made with different ratios in mind so would be safe to screen in the different ratios without losing important visual information.
With Thunderbirds made in 4:3 a straight crop would lose important information so it is my understanding that the cropping was done from shot to shot because if you remove the top part of one shot safely the moment the scene changes you might chop off someones head.

If the widescreen versions could be said to have any benefits I think there are 2.
Firstly the cropping often seems to deliberately remove sight of the strings where possible. As you know the strings were very visible on dvd so imagine how they look on Bluray.

Secondly the artificial zooming in takes us much closer to the puppets than were were intended to but this has the nice effect of letting us see some very closeup shots of the vehicles where you can often see the superb detail they put into them that they surely must never have expected us to be able to see.
The detail put in for the tv episodes makes it look as if they didn't really need to change much when the cinema films were made as they were already going beyond the necessary.

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